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		<title>By: cb</title>
		<link>http://www.moneymorning.com.au/20100125/the-obama-proposal-for-bank-reform.html/comment-page-3#comment-5054</link>
		<dc:creator>cb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, the tide seems to be really turning, when even The Age is publishing an opinion piece like this: 
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/be-alert-but-wary-on-climate-claims-20100126-mw7z.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, the tide seems to be really turning, when even The Age is publishing an opinion piece like this:<br />
<a href="http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/be-alert-but-wary-on-climate-claims-20100126-mw7z.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/be-alert-but-wary-on-climate-claims-20100126-mw7z.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: cb</title>
		<link>http://www.moneymorning.com.au/20100125/the-obama-proposal-for-bank-reform.html/comment-page-3#comment-5053</link>
		<dc:creator>cb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ciao - You may be right, but your proposal would have the disadvantage of remaining more susceptible to manipulation and obfuscation than a simple gold standard, which would be straightforward and much more easily monitored. Alas, wherever money is to be made, there will be a Madoff, and the risk of excess printing of paper, even under a gold standard, is ever present. This is what Nixon did, and a few other presidents before him, until the US outright defaulted by refusing to settle their trade imbalance in gold, and instead formally abolished the gold standard. 

So, I am not quite sure what to say. Under whatever standard, including a gold standard, if those entrusted with the safeguarding of the nation&#039;s earnings and savings purchasing power decide to be crooks, then that is what they are going to be, and the good people will be the ones to suffer. My personal conclusion from this would be that the only way one could protect oneself against such risks would be to keep the cash portion of one&#039;s savings in actual, physical metal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ciao &#8211; You may be right, but your proposal would have the disadvantage of remaining more susceptible to manipulation and obfuscation than a simple gold standard, which would be straightforward and much more easily monitored. Alas, wherever money is to be made, there will be a Madoff, and the risk of excess printing of paper, even under a gold standard, is ever present. This is what Nixon did, and a few other presidents before him, until the US outright defaulted by refusing to settle their trade imbalance in gold, and instead formally abolished the gold standard. </p>
<p>So, I am not quite sure what to say. Under whatever standard, including a gold standard, if those entrusted with the safeguarding of the nation&#8217;s earnings and savings purchasing power decide to be crooks, then that is what they are going to be, and the good people will be the ones to suffer. My personal conclusion from this would be that the only way one could protect oneself against such risks would be to keep the cash portion of one&#8217;s savings in actual, physical metal.</p>
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		<title>By: Ciao</title>
		<link>http://www.moneymorning.com.au/20100125/the-obama-proposal-for-bank-reform.html/comment-page-3#comment-5052</link>
		<dc:creator>Ciao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key question for both Krys and several of the readers are:

1.  Could there have been sound money without a Gold standard?

2.  Could there have been a real estate bubble and services economy without a funny money facilitated current account deficit?

I contend yes to the first question if debt service costs and rents become measured as part of the CPI basket after the current bubble has burst.  The CPI basket itself must in future be acknowledeged as being constantly subject to manipulation and attack by inflationists and consequently there must be an Austrian minded oversight of money supply excess;  one that is not the instrument of rate adjustment but the reserve power that calls severe trade weighted &amp; money supply imbalances and adds such penalty rates required to redress them.

2.  My answer is no here, for all the current account deficit countries.  There is no point of difference for Australia&#039;s recent &quot;hold&quot; effected on the real estate bubble  because the funny money is still very much in play (at least until recent days or as reflected by speculators in past months interest rate swaps) for a country that has exploited both a carry trade &amp; a sovereign guarantee of bank funding that has not been available to any other major economy (don&#039;t count NZ because they too are on Australian 4 pillar balance sheets courtesy of their branch offices).  So that means the bubble will pop here even louder than it has in the US, UK, and the PIIGS the second the AUD dives (and that could be any day now).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key question for both Krys and several of the readers are:</p>
<p>1.  Could there have been sound money without a Gold standard?</p>
<p>2.  Could there have been a real estate bubble and services economy without a funny money facilitated current account deficit?</p>
<p>I contend yes to the first question if debt service costs and rents become measured as part of the CPI basket after the current bubble has burst.  The CPI basket itself must in future be acknowledeged as being constantly subject to manipulation and attack by inflationists and consequently there must be an Austrian minded oversight of money supply excess;  one that is not the instrument of rate adjustment but the reserve power that calls severe trade weighted &amp; money supply imbalances and adds such penalty rates required to redress them.</p>
<p>2.  My answer is no here, for all the current account deficit countries.  There is no point of difference for Australia&#8217;s recent &#8220;hold&#8221; effected on the real estate bubble  because the funny money is still very much in play (at least until recent days or as reflected by speculators in past months interest rate swaps) for a country that has exploited both a carry trade &amp; a sovereign guarantee of bank funding that has not been available to any other major economy (don&#8217;t count NZ because they too are on Australian 4 pillar balance sheets courtesy of their branch offices).  So that means the bubble will pop here even louder than it has in the US, UK, and the PIIGS the second the AUD dives (and that could be any day now).</p>
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		<title>By: cb</title>
		<link>http://www.moneymorning.com.au/20100125/the-obama-proposal-for-bank-reform.html/comment-page-3#comment-5042</link>
		<dc:creator>cb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liar, liar, the chief warmist&#039;s pants are on fire!!! 
It looks like the IPCC&#039;s Chairman himself will be forced to resign before too long, but guess who is in the headline video shots with him? You have to see it to believe it: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVhhYyCsvBM&amp;feature=player_embedded#</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liar, liar, the chief warmist&#8217;s pants are on fire!!!<br />
It looks like the IPCC&#8217;s Chairman himself will be forced to resign before too long, but guess who is in the headline video shots with him? You have to see it to believe it:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVhhYyCsvBM&amp;feature=player_embedded#" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVhhYyCsvBM&amp;feature=player_embedded#</a></p>
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		<title>By: GB</title>
		<link>http://www.moneymorning.com.au/20100125/the-obama-proposal-for-bank-reform.html/comment-page-3#comment-5041</link>
		<dc:creator>GB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems i was wrong and china will boom forever - the WA chamber of commerce &quot;... predicts business and consumer spending will match and even surpass levels from immediately before the global financial crisis within months&quot; and &quot;The local impacts of the global economic slowdown will soon be a distant memory as WA enters the new decade...&quot;

he said: &quot;within months&quot; - does that mean that interest rates will also be back at 10% within months??

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/-/business/6720211/forecasts-put-wa-back-in-boom-business/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems i was wrong and china will boom forever &#8211; the WA chamber of commerce &#8220;&#8230; predicts business and consumer spending will match and even surpass levels from immediately before the global financial crisis within months&#8221; and &#8220;The local impacts of the global economic slowdown will soon be a distant memory as WA enters the new decade&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>he said: &#8220;within months&#8221; &#8211; does that mean that interest rates will also be back at 10% within months??</p>
<p><a href="http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/-/business/6720211/forecasts-put-wa-back-in-boom-business/" rel="nofollow">http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/-/business/6720211/forecasts-put-wa-back-in-boom-business/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
		<link>http://www.moneymorning.com.au/20100125/the-obama-proposal-for-bank-reform.html/comment-page-2#comment-5040</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi All, 

Did anyone see this article in the Daily Telegraph about Westpac reducing its LVR? 
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sunday-telegraph/tighter-credit-rules-to-halve-home-loans/story-e6frewt0-1225822838856  
 
It’s a good article (and not a story that was widely publicised) but they still managed to sneak a few quotes in from a property spruiker.  Like this from a Mortgage Choice broker:
&quot;It&#039;s a very worrying development because if others follow suit, we could see the majority of first-home buyers priced out of the market.&quot;
 
It might be a worrying development for this Mortgage Choice broker because his commissions will be slashed if there&#039;s a property crash.  But for potential first-home buyers, I reckon this is great news. Because ironically, it is this cut in bank LRVs that could bring about a crash in property prices that the banks have been so desperately trying to avoid.  A crash that will price first home buyers back into the market.
 
My guess is that that in 4 years time, house prices will be at least 40% cheaper.

And if I’m wrong, I’m going to walk to the train station in the mornings, instead of driving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All, </p>
<p>Did anyone see this article in the Daily Telegraph about Westpac reducing its LVR?<br />
<a href="http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sunday-telegraph/tighter-credit-rules-to-halve-home-loans/story-e6frewt0-1225822838856" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sunday-telegraph/tighter-credit-rules-to-halve-home-loans/story-e6frewt0-1225822838856</a>  </p>
<p>It’s a good article (and not a story that was widely publicised) but they still managed to sneak a few quotes in from a property spruiker.  Like this from a Mortgage Choice broker:<br />
&#8220;It&#8217;s a very worrying development because if others follow suit, we could see the majority of first-home buyers priced out of the market.&#8221;</p>
<p>It might be a worrying development for this Mortgage Choice broker because his commissions will be slashed if there&#8217;s a property crash.  But for potential first-home buyers, I reckon this is great news. Because ironically, it is this cut in bank LRVs that could bring about a crash in property prices that the banks have been so desperately trying to avoid.  A crash that will price first home buyers back into the market.</p>
<p>My guess is that that in 4 years time, house prices will be at least 40% cheaper.</p>
<p>And if I’m wrong, I’m going to walk to the train station in the mornings, instead of driving.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocket</title>
		<link>http://www.moneymorning.com.au/20100125/the-obama-proposal-for-bank-reform.html/comment-page-2#comment-5039</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Banks can continue to lend money (create new money) if their assets continue to increase in value. Australian banks (and home owners) are heavily invested in property which means our economy is very much reliant on the property market. In reality property has become the new gold and the Government will do anything to prop it up. The real threat to property prices will be mortgage interest rates above 8% but the Government will have to stop its stimulus and reduce its deficit to prevent this. Looks like Rudd and Swann(Or Abbott) will finally have to make some tough decisions this year in the budget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Banks can continue to lend money (create new money) if their assets continue to increase in value. Australian banks (and home owners) are heavily invested in property which means our economy is very much reliant on the property market. In reality property has become the new gold and the Government will do anything to prop it up. The real threat to property prices will be mortgage interest rates above 8% but the Government will have to stop its stimulus and reduce its deficit to prevent this. Looks like Rudd and Swann(Or Abbott) will finally have to make some tough decisions this year in the budget.</p>
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		<title>By: cb</title>
		<link>http://www.moneymorning.com.au/20100125/the-obama-proposal-for-bank-reform.html/comment-page-2#comment-5038</link>
		<dc:creator>cb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the followers of Steve Keen, here is a brief interview he gave with Max Keiser. 
http://www.archive.org/details/MaxKeiserAndSteveKeenInterviewOnBbc5live24Jan2010</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the followers of Steve Keen, here is a brief interview he gave with Max Keiser.<br />
<a href="http://www.archive.org/details/MaxKeiserAndSteveKeenInterviewOnBbc5live24Jan2010" rel="nofollow">http://www.archive.org/details/MaxKeiserAndSteveKeenInterviewOnBbc5live24Jan2010</a></p>
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		<title>By: cb</title>
		<link>http://www.moneymorning.com.au/20100125/the-obama-proposal-for-bank-reform.html/comment-page-2#comment-5036</link>
		<dc:creator>cb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, that darn link: the apostrophy seems to mess it up. You might have to copy and paste the address it into your browser&#039;s window to get to the page directly. http://www.ipa.org.au/publications/1775/climategate:-what-weve-learned-so-far

Otherwise, you can find it on the IPA&#039;s website under the title: Climategate: What we&#039;ve learned so far</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, that darn link: the apostrophy seems to mess it up. You might have to copy and paste the address it into your browser&#8217;s window to get to the page directly. <a href="http://www.ipa.org.au/publications/1775/climategate:-what-weve-learned-so-far" rel="nofollow">http://www.ipa.org.au/publications/1775/climategate:-what-weve-learned-so-far</a></p>
<p>Otherwise, you can find it on the IPA&#8217;s website under the title: Climategate: What we&#8217;ve learned so far</p>
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		<title>By: cb</title>
		<link>http://www.moneymorning.com.au/20100125/the-obama-proposal-for-bank-reform.html/comment-page-2#comment-5035</link>
		<dc:creator>cb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol, Michael. Do you think this is just a hobby for him, or is he preparing for tougher times after crashing the Australian economy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol, Michael. Do you think this is just a hobby for him, or is he preparing for tougher times after crashing the Australian economy?</p>
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