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		<title>By: Sandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julia Gillard???  lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julia Gillard???  lol</p>
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		<title>By: etch</title>
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		<dc:creator>etch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maybe  they will get us all to talk like  JULIA GORILLAA too</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe  they will get us all to talk like  JULIA GORILLAA too</p>
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		<title>By: cb</title>
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		<dc:creator>cb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol, Dave. According to some accounts the CIA use him, so it would not be without precedent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol, Dave. According to some accounts the CIA use him, so it would not be without precedent.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Kidd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Kidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 08:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AC wrote: &#039;I think we are all agreed that the government of today is a far cry of what it needs to be. The question remains – as the actual citizens the government represent, what can we do (apart from voting) to change how the system operates?&#039;

Forgive me if I correct you about the government representing we citizens: they claim to, but in fact act only in the self interests of themselves and their mates.

What can we do?  You can forget about voting for a start. In all of my adult life my vote has made not even the slightest difference to the result. I would be surprised to see any proof that the experiences of any other of our contributors had been any different.

That leaves some sort of revolution as the only other tactic likely to be effective. If you are not ready for that there is little that you can change in your lifetime.  

But mass revolutions can get messy. They might  do a good job of kicking out the ones in power  but then discover they don&#039;t have a better system to immediately put in its place, and before they develop one they find that scoundrels as bad as the ones they just deposed have somehow come to power. There must be a better way.

Our systems of government, flawed as they are, could be acceptable and gradually improved if they were run by people who could be trusted to work for the citizens of Australia, and nobody else. Perhaps the people in the public service and politicians could be driven to serve us by something more powerful than the perks and bribes that seem to drive them now: personal fear. If a politician lived in fear of being assassinated every time he did something that displeased his electors we would could expect to see a dramatic improvement in the behaviour of politicians.

It&#039;s interesting to muse over what could be achieved by a small army of skilled assassins. I would not dare to advocate trying to form one for fear of what asio and the government might do to me... but if you wanted some help, Usama bin Laden would probably be willing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AC wrote: &#8216;I think we are all agreed that the government of today is a far cry of what it needs to be. The question remains – as the actual citizens the government represent, what can we do (apart from voting) to change how the system operates?&#8217;</p>
<p>Forgive me if I correct you about the government representing we citizens: they claim to, but in fact act only in the self interests of themselves and their mates.</p>
<p>What can we do?  You can forget about voting for a start. In all of my adult life my vote has made not even the slightest difference to the result. I would be surprised to see any proof that the experiences of any other of our contributors had been any different.</p>
<p>That leaves some sort of revolution as the only other tactic likely to be effective. If you are not ready for that there is little that you can change in your lifetime.  </p>
<p>But mass revolutions can get messy. They might  do a good job of kicking out the ones in power  but then discover they don&#8217;t have a better system to immediately put in its place, and before they develop one they find that scoundrels as bad as the ones they just deposed have somehow come to power. There must be a better way.</p>
<p>Our systems of government, flawed as they are, could be acceptable and gradually improved if they were run by people who could be trusted to work for the citizens of Australia, and nobody else. Perhaps the people in the public service and politicians could be driven to serve us by something more powerful than the perks and bribes that seem to drive them now: personal fear. If a politician lived in fear of being assassinated every time he did something that displeased his electors we would could expect to see a dramatic improvement in the behaviour of politicians.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to muse over what could be achieved by a small army of skilled assassins. I would not dare to advocate trying to form one for fear of what asio and the government might do to me&#8230; but if you wanted some help, Usama bin Laden would probably be willing.</p>
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		<title>By: cb</title>
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		<dc:creator>cb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 04:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kris - That is one hell of a tortured example. That case is not about a minimum wage, but minimum working hours. I for one agree that the concept of minimum working hours seems dumb in these sorts of cases, even though it might still make sense in others. 

But if you want to argue for abolishing the concept of a minimum wage, or that of a minimum price on labour on an hourly basis, then you should argue for the idea that these kids should be allowed to work for $2 -$3 per hour, if that is something they would be willing to accept. 

In fact, why don&#039;t you do that, and let&#039;s see how plausible your arguments will sound?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kris &#8211; That is one hell of a tortured example. That case is not about a minimum wage, but minimum working hours. I for one agree that the concept of minimum working hours seems dumb in these sorts of cases, even though it might still make sense in others. </p>
<p>But if you want to argue for abolishing the concept of a minimum wage, or that of a minimum price on labour on an hourly basis, then you should argue for the idea that these kids should be allowed to work for $2 -$3 per hour, if that is something they would be willing to accept. </p>
<p>In fact, why don&#8217;t you do that, and let&#8217;s see how plausible your arguments will sound?</p>
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		<title>By: cb</title>
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		<dc:creator>cb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 03:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, unfortunately, this is always the tendency to be like this. While the good people are going about their business, there is always a parasitic minded group of people who would rather live off other people&#039;s labour than putting in a decent day&#039;s work of their own. And once they find and manage a scam that works, and worse, they manage to pass it into law, all the money they channel their way then can be poored into maintaining the status quo, to protect themselves from ever being dislodged from their privileged position. For this, they need a constant stream of revenue to feed, not only themselves, but the many hangers on, the ever growing numbers of leeches, drones and parasites that protect them out of their own self interest. 

But don&#039;t worry, Rudd&#039;s 150 bureaucrats we are already paying for administering and auditing a yet non-existent ETS are probably hard at work figuring out how to impose this massive new tax on us. By hook or by crook, they will find a way of ensuring that they do not get disbanded, losing all those cushy, well paid jobs at our expense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, unfortunately, this is always the tendency to be like this. While the good people are going about their business, there is always a parasitic minded group of people who would rather live off other people&#8217;s labour than putting in a decent day&#8217;s work of their own. And once they find and manage a scam that works, and worse, they manage to pass it into law, all the money they channel their way then can be poored into maintaining the status quo, to protect themselves from ever being dislodged from their privileged position. For this, they need a constant stream of revenue to feed, not only themselves, but the many hangers on, the ever growing numbers of leeches, drones and parasites that protect them out of their own self interest. </p>
<p>But don&#8217;t worry, Rudd&#8217;s 150 bureaucrats we are already paying for administering and auditing a yet non-existent ETS are probably hard at work figuring out how to impose this massive new tax on us. By hook or by crook, they will find a way of ensuring that they do not get disbanded, losing all those cushy, well paid jobs at our expense.</p>
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		<title>By: AC</title>
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		<dc:creator>AC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 02:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we are all agreed that the government of today is a far cry of what it needs to be.  The question remains - as the actual citizens the government represent, what can we do (apart from voting) to change how the system operates?  Clearly the current system of lie through your teeth with false promises to get elected then do whatever the hell you like has simply ground us down to the point that we find ourselves in. distanced from politics, cynical and worst; most people have no idea that all of this nonsense goes on in the back ground because the government are protected by for starters themselves and then the media because of financial benefits. Today&#039;s government is a legalized racket, whats worse is that we have allowed this to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we are all agreed that the government of today is a far cry of what it needs to be.  The question remains &#8211; as the actual citizens the government represent, what can we do (apart from voting) to change how the system operates?  Clearly the current system of lie through your teeth with false promises to get elected then do whatever the hell you like has simply ground us down to the point that we find ourselves in. distanced from politics, cynical and worst; most people have no idea that all of this nonsense goes on in the back ground because the government are protected by for starters themselves and then the media because of financial benefits. Today&#8217;s government is a legalized racket, whats worse is that we have allowed this to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: SV</title>
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		<dc:creator>SV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 02:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>School &quot;hall building&quot; program was a complete waste of resources. Friends working in construction industry told me how the schools asked for the money to be spent perhaps on an extra classroom or a library etc. But no, the only thing they could have is a hall. Even if they had one already.

But the program kept building sub contractors (bricklayers, plumbers etc) so busy, their rates went up. The cost estimators could not accurately cost the job because by the time they submitted the estimation, the rates went up again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>School &#8220;hall building&#8221; program was a complete waste of resources. Friends working in construction industry told me how the schools asked for the money to be spent perhaps on an extra classroom or a library etc. But no, the only thing they could have is a hall. Even if they had one already.</p>
<p>But the program kept building sub contractors (bricklayers, plumbers etc) so busy, their rates went up. The cost estimators could not accurately cost the job because by the time they submitted the estimation, the rates went up again!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Kidd</title>
		<link>http://www.moneymorning.com.au/20100205/not-possible-government-stimulate-economy-to-recovery.html/comment-page-1#comment-5811</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Kidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 01:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kris admits: &#039;The fact is, the local and global economic data that has emerged over the past week has proven that what we’ve been saying for the last eighteen months has been right. And what the mainstream economists, central bankers and mainstream commentators have said has been wrong.

They’ve got it so wrong it’s amazing that anyone still listens to them.&#039;

Is it really so amazing?  The media that people have been conditioned to believe for most of their lives will only publish the commentators who agree with the media controller&#039;s agenda, which in turn is influenced by the banks which finance him, the views of advertisers upon whom he depends for most of his income, and a desire for profits.

Kris claims that what he has been saying for 18 months has been right... but I ask, who has been listening to him?  It&#039;s a sad fact that the number of people who believe little websites like this one are outnumbered thousands if not millions to one by the products of the mass media. Given that, is it any wonder our message never seems to get through?

Money Morning is a nice little website and I give it credit for trying. But until we get a network of TV channels, radio stations, newspapers, and business magazines all prepared to publish similar messages we will be deluding ourselves to think we can influence enough people to change the corrupt world we find ourselves in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kris admits: &#8216;The fact is, the local and global economic data that has emerged over the past week has proven that what we’ve been saying for the last eighteen months has been right. And what the mainstream economists, central bankers and mainstream commentators have said has been wrong.</p>
<p>They’ve got it so wrong it’s amazing that anyone still listens to them.&#8217;</p>
<p>Is it really so amazing?  The media that people have been conditioned to believe for most of their lives will only publish the commentators who agree with the media controller&#8217;s agenda, which in turn is influenced by the banks which finance him, the views of advertisers upon whom he depends for most of his income, and a desire for profits.</p>
<p>Kris claims that what he has been saying for 18 months has been right&#8230; but I ask, who has been listening to him?  It&#8217;s a sad fact that the number of people who believe little websites like this one are outnumbered thousands if not millions to one by the products of the mass media. Given that, is it any wonder our message never seems to get through?</p>
<p>Money Morning is a nice little website and I give it credit for trying. But until we get a network of TV channels, radio stations, newspapers, and business magazines all prepared to publish similar messages we will be deluding ourselves to think we can influence enough people to change the corrupt world we find ourselves in.</p>
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		<title>By: TONY</title>
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		<dc:creator>TONY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 01:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The misinformation on minimum wages is almost as bad as the misinformation on trade union membership.

You’ll often hear union leaders tell the media how union members earn higher incomes than non-union members.

Now, at face value that may be correct. However, it’s only half the story. &quot;

What you say there Chris is NOT even half the story. The only way to read mainstream newspapers or anything published by the media monopolies is this - &quot;take the opposite view of whatever they say or state,  and THAT is the truth.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The misinformation on minimum wages is almost as bad as the misinformation on trade union membership.</p>
<p>You’ll often hear union leaders tell the media how union members earn higher incomes than non-union members.</p>
<p>Now, at face value that may be correct. However, it’s only half the story. &#8221;</p>
<p>What you say there Chris is NOT even half the story. The only way to read mainstream newspapers or anything published by the media monopolies is this &#8211; &#8220;take the opposite view of whatever they say or state,  and THAT is the truth.&#8221;</p>
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