Just for the record, I am not anti anyone. Neither should you be. We must all learn to live together or there will be no world to live in for much longer.

I would never deny Israel’s right to exist. However, I would not deny “Palestine” the right to exist either. How many thinking people in the world honestly believe that is ever going to happen?

I just cannot stand the blatant lies and hypocrisy in the media regarding this issue. Common people are treated like sheep and fed this ridiculous “Cowboys vs Indians” story. Please. There are always two sides to every story, and both sides are to blame for perpetuating the violence. The reality is there for all to see if some simple questions are asked.

Why are “they” so angry? I am not excusing the actions of anyone, but if you look at the culture in that region (in film for example), people weren’t as radicalised half a century ago. It was a lot more liberal. This particular issue, together with continual US meddling has significantly contributed to the problem.

Why is the US so concerned with meddling in that region? Why are certain brutal regimes in that region condoned (e.g. Saudi Arabia, Egypt) while others are labelled “Islamofacists” (I think that’s out of fashion now) or some other ridiculous term? cb provided the rules earlier on in this discussion: smile while they sack the country and nobody gets hurt.

There has never been any real justice regarding this particular issue. There was never really any intention of creating “Palestine”, only to erase any trace of it. Even I have only come to realise this simple fact in the last few years. The truth is there for all to see. Heck, the Israeli government doesn’t even try to hide it anymore.

If nothing else, Iran will be the scrificial lamb for Obama’s second term presidency. The oldest and saddest trick in the book. But Iran is on the nose for a fair few things, so it will be cornered and attacked, no matter how insane and unfair.

As for Islam being a threat, I would be interested to know how you have come to that conclusion. Do you feel that they are somehow expansionistic? Or expansionistic in a more sinister way than, say, our guardian angels across the other side of the Pacific?

Just by the way – i really DO understand your points (along with those of David etc). I can appreciate your way of thinking about this. But i dont draw quite the same conclusions.

Just as David (and you and the others indirectly) freely admit to being anti semitic, I am anti muslim, because I see Islam as the single greatest threat to Western civilization. They have already infected Europe like a cancer, and their numbers are growing in Australia as well.

“When Obama’s elderly envoy George Mitchell headed home in humiliation this week, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu celebrated his departure by planting trees in two of the three largest Israeli colonies around Jerusalem. With these trees at Gush Etzion and Ma’aleh Adumim, he said, he was sending “a clear message that we are here. We will stay here. We are planning and we are building.” These two huge settlements, along with that of Ariel to the north of Jerusalem, were an “indisputable part of Israel forever.”

It was Netanyahu’s victory celebration over the upstart American President who had dared to challenge Israel’s power not only in the Middle East but in America itself. And while the world this week listened to Netanyahu in the Holocaust memorial commemoration for the genocide of six million Jews, abusing Iran as the new Nazi Germany – Iran’s loony president supposedly as evil as Hitler – the hopes of a future “Palestine” continued to dribble away.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-why-does-the-us-turn-a-blind-eye-to-israeli-bulldozers-1883670.html

One thing’s for sure though, the US has set the example and the rules of the game. They shouldn’t be complaining now that all the other kids in the playground want to imitate the bully. Although that won’t stop them from selling it through their media any way they see fit.

btw, I mentioned this earlier, but do you read Robert Fisk? He’s the award winning Middle East correspondent for The Independent and his articles are usually a great read:
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/

Adjusted for inflation, as reflected in the gold price, house prices have been showing a decline from their record highs in mid 2007. Monetary inflation hides this, which is a good example of how inflation and bogus measures give us a murky and misleading picture of what is happening in the economy, to the currency, to the value of our savings and our earning power.