Housing Shortage Set to Hit 35 Million in 2050

by Kris Sayce on March 31, 2010

We’ll explain our ridiculous headline shortly. But first…

Yesterday we crossed the t’s on the March issue of Australian Small-Cap Investigator, today we just need to dot the i’s so we can send the March issue out while it’s still March.

If you’re a subscriber – if all goes according to plan – you should see the issue drop into your inbox after 4.30pm this afternoon. If you’re not a subscriber click here to sign up without delay.

So, while our compliance boffin is making sure our latest issue of Australian Small-Cap Investigator is publishable, here’s what we’ve been thinking about this morning…

ARMageddon.

I know, more gloom. That’s just the way it is I’m afraid. We tell it like it is. Of course if you prefer sugar-coated stuff telling you everything is rosy then you’ll be sorely disappointed if you keep reading here.

But don’t go away, if nothing else it can’t be that bad to get an alternative view compared to the pap you get in the mainstream press.

But just to clarify, our reference to ARMageddon isn’t a prediction about the end of the world, but rather a reference to another article in the Weekend Australian Financial Review titled: “ARMageddon hangs over home owners.”

The ARM in ARMageddon refers to the ingenious mortgage product in the US called an adjustable rate mortgage. Broadly speaking it’s similar to our variable rate mortgages here, with one exception.

Many buyers signed up to an ARM’s with what they called a ‘teaser rate’. Again, similar to the introductory rates you’ll get with Australian mortgage products. But again, not entirely the same.

The main difference is that the ‘teaser rate’ set the repayment level lower than the interest charged on the loan, with the balance being added to the mortgage debt. So for instance, if monthly mortgage repayments were supposed to be $1,000 the teaser rate would see the repayment drop to say, $500 with the remaining $500 added to the mortgage.

As you can imagine, that’s gonna work out fine when property prices are heading to the moon. But as soon as prices stabilize and then drop, mortgage owners are in trouble. As the AFR article points out, “There is concern in the US for home buyers who hold reset loans that may leave them negatively geared.”

The reset part is important, because as I mentioned these ARMs came with a teaser rate which resets to the normal higher rate after a given period, say 3 or 5 years.

So not only do you have mortgage payments being added each month to the outstanding mortgage debt, but you’ve also got a mortgage repayment that could double or triple in one move as soon as the teaser rate period ends.

You can see the potential impact in the chart below:

Monthly Mortgage Rate Resets

The light yellow bars I’ve circled above gives you an idea of just how big the problem is. Although, take a look at the Alt-A mortgages as well. Alt-A are those mortgages deemed to be lower quality than Prime mortgages but higher quality than Subprime mortgages.

If this next leg of the US housing crisis is even half as bad as the last one, then world markets are in for another bumpy ride.

I mean, at the time buyers were taking out these loans everything seemed fine. What could possibly go wrong? So what if the monthly repayment increases, the price of houses always goes up. If the repayments are too high, home owners can just sell at a profit and move on.

And yep, they had the same mantra in the US as we’ve got here – house prices always
go up. Which brings us on to this point. Money Morning reader James sent us this article from The Acorn Online, “Northern LA and Ventura County’s Best Community and Weekly
Newspapers”
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The Acorn Online had this to say in February 2006, just before the US housing market started to implode:

“The Californian Building Industry Association (CBIA) continues to express alarm over what it calls an ongoing housing crisis in Southern California. Alan Nevin, the association’s chief economist, projected in a 2006 CBIA Housing Forecast that only 185,000 to 205,000 building permits will be granted this year, far short of the 240,000 new homes needed each year.”

Sound familiar? The article continues:

“Southern California has been experiencing a massive population boom in recent years and it’s believed that 6 million new residents will be living in the region by 2020. The population increase, coupled with the housing shortage, has the CBIA worried that it will be increasingly difficult for first-time homebuyers to find a moderately priced unit.”

Need we say any more? Of course. We’re not going to pass up an opportunity like this. Now read this press release from the Housing Industry Association (HIA):

“The report finds that if current building trends persist, then Australia’s cumulated housing shortage would reach 466,000 dwellings by 2020… Housing to 2020, which focuses on future housing demand and the number of dwellings required in meeting this demand, highlights a current housing shortage that already numbers over 109,000 dwellings.”

The impact of the so-called shortage? The press release states:

“If we don’t get a comprehensive supply response to the accumulating housing shortage then the lack of affordable and appropriately located rental properties will only worsen…”

It’s funny isn’t it. All those economists that failed to predict the financial meltdown are the same economists who now say, “Ah, but of course the US had a massive overbuild of housing leading up the financial crisis, that’s why their property market slumped.”

Maybe they did, but no one seemed keen to point it out at the time. They were too busy claiming there was a housing shortage. In fact, the CBIA claims there was a housing shortage as recent as 2006.

It was only after prices slumped that the so-called massive overbuild became apparent.

Make no mistake, the much claimed Australian housing shortage will also be seen as a myth after our housing market crashes. The Australian market is making the same mistakes as the US.

But take a look at those numbers from the HIA again. If today’s housing shortage is 109,000, and the figure in 2020 will be 466,000, that works out as an annual growth rate of about 15.6%.

That got us thinking. As luck would have it, Money Morning reader Pete sent us this video of Dr. Albert A. Bartlett, a physics lecturer at the University of Colorado. It’s well worth watching if you’ve got a spare hour or so.

What’s the relevance of the video? It’s the theme of his presentation, “The Greatest Shortcoming of the Human Race is our Inability to Understand the Exponential Function.”

Sounds riveting eh! Actually it is. And the reason it’s riveting is that it gave your editor the inspiration for the chart below we ‘cleverly’ created in Microsoft Excel.

I won’t try and repeat exactly what the prof explains, but the idea is fairly simple. If you take a seemingly small growth rate over a short period and apply it over many years the exponential growth becomes unsustainable.

For example, he makes the point:

“Every time the growing quantity doubles it takes more than you used in all the preceding growth.”

If we apply that to housing, every time the spruikers tell you property prices double every ten years it means that the price growth during that time has exceeded the price growth of every other period in history… ever!

We’re not a mathematician, so we’ll take the prof’s word for it. Take this example he gives on population growth:

“If this modest 1.3% per year [of population growth] could continue, the world population would reach a density of one person per square metre on the dry-land surface of the earth in 780 years. And the mass of people would equal the mass of the earth in 2,400 years. Zero population growth is going to happen. We can debate whether we like zero population growth or don’t like it, it’s gonna happen whether we debate it or not, whether we like it or not.”

That’s the thing isn’t it. You read all the time about growth rates of population and house prices and everything else. You hear – as we have from the HIA – that “if this rate of growth continues” then the housing shortage will be X amount, or the population will be Y, and house prices will be Z.

But the reality is, at some point the growth rate has to stop. It’s impossible for it to continue forever at the same rate of growth.

And that’s exactly what we’ve argued time and again about house prices. But it wasn’t until we saw Dr. Bartlett’s video that the penny dropped. And when we saw those house shortage numbers from the HIA everything clicked into place.

You see, if we take the HIA’s 15.6% annual growth rate – remember, we’re using their numbers – and extrapolate the number further, then by 2025 there will be a housing shortage of 958,946.

But why stop there. If we go out to 2030, the housing shortage rises to 1,979,626. And best of all, if we follow their growth rate all the way out to 2050 we find out the housing shortage will reach 35,953,391…

Coincidentally, according to the most recent Intergenerational Report, the government number bods predict the Australian population to be 35.9 million by 2050.

In other words, the housing shortage will equal the population!

Here’s the chart we’ve reproduced using the HIA housing shortage numbers and extrapolating that growth out to 2050:

Housing Shortage 2050

The even funnier thing is, if we take the HIA growth rate out to 2055, the housing shortage will reach 74,221,381, or double the predicted Australian population.

Housing Shortage 2055

Now do you see how dumb these housing shortage and house price growth numbers are? Sure, maybe we’re taking it to the ridiculous extreme. But it’s no more ridiculous than the arguments about the housing shortage and house prices.

The point we’re making is that at some point the exponential growth will breakdown. The unknown is at what point it will occur. We know for a fact there isn’t going to be a shortage of 35 million homes in 2050 (unless every house in Australia is demolished) when the population is only 35 million. The breakdown will have to happen at some point before that.

The fact is, just as a so-called California housing shortage turned out to be a housing glut, the same fate is destined to happen to the Australian market. House price growth can’t continue indefinitely either. If we use the same method and the doubling every ten years approach, then a $100,000 house today will be worth $1.5 million in 2050:

House Price

Again, it’s not sustainable and the growth will breakdown at some point.

The danger is that right now spruikers are using a twenty year period of extraordinary growth in house prices and extrapolating those numbers forward. And even worse is the same spruikers are taking an unproven housing shortage and making up their own future growth rate to arrive at a similarly impossible number.

Oh, and just one more thing to put this in perspective, the February 2006 article from The Acorn Online stated:

“Next year, the average home price in California is predicted to hit $573,000.”

Last week Housing Predictor website claimed:

“A lack of more affordable homes, particularly in California, where prices are still more than 50% below the markets peak on average sent the median price 9.8% lower for the one year period at $207,900.”

Good luck if you’re out house hunting over the weekend. Because this time next year you could need all the luck you can get!

On the other hand there could be a 35 million housing shortage in 2050, and you’ll be laughing all the way to the bank. I’ll let you work out whether that’s likely.

Cheers,
Kris.

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1 PuntPal 03.31.10 at 3:05 pm

Not only is population growth uncertain, but so are the numbers of people per household. They assume people will continue to live by themselves whereas every downturn sees people move back home etc…

Housing shortage is now commonly accepted as a fact, you have to give it to them, they are persistant with their lies and the journos are unable to think for themselves and question things

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2 SV 03.31.10 at 3:14 pm

With Option ARM, I suspect, that Fed will just print the shortfall and give it to the banks involved. It will be just a drop in the ocean of what has already been printed. What’s that on the chart? 1 trillion? we can print it, yes we can!

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3 TONY 03.31.10 at 3:25 pm

“In other words, the housing shortage will equal the population!”

One thing you’ve proved here Kris is that statistics can be manipulated any way one wants. As long as it fits the statement one wants to make.

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4 swanny 03.31.10 at 3:47 pm

While you’re there, population is projected to grow to between 30 & 40 million by 2056 with the larger part coming from net migration.

Currently, the average age of skilled migrants is pushing 40. I can’t see these people adding to birth rates substantially – but this will obviously have an impact on our ageing population.

Even if the population does hit 35-40 million, we’ll all be too old to be buying more property anyway.

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5 discombobulated 03.31.10 at 4:08 pm

“…… Zero population growth is going to happen. We can debate whether we like zero population growth or don’t like it, it’s gonna happen whether we debate it or not, whether we like it or not.”
What’s the bet that ZPG comes in a most unanticipated manner…
Where 40/45 becomes the standard use-by date, then it’s off to the Soylent Green bakehouse for you and me?
Sound good? Yes, I thought so. :)

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6 GB 03.31.10 at 5:32 pm

The chinese are hacking Yahoo now! Do they think that America wont get fed up?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100330/ap_on_hi_te/as_china_internet

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7 cb 03.31.10 at 6:28 pm

I have just caught something on the 7 pm news.
It’s official, and he said it himself: Glenn Stevens, too, is doing God’s work.
God help us. Or should we now turn to the devil for salvation, instead?

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8 SV 03.31.10 at 6:38 pm

cb@6: the bankers seem to have an overinflated sense of self-importance. It is hard to resist when you get a license to print money.

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9 cb 03.31.10 at 7:25 pm

Quite so, SV. After all, they are playing with people’s lives, no less.

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10 michael francis 03.31.10 at 7:40 pm

Its official. Glenn Stevens is a “Bible Basher”. God help us.

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11 michael francis 03.31.10 at 7:47 pm

Always remember, the closer they sit to the alter, the less they ought to be trusted.

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12 GB 03.31.10 at 7:50 pm

I guess its hard to get ahead when the taxman sits on the left side of god and the bankers on the right

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13 Nick 03.31.10 at 8:21 pm

So the secret bankers meeting was so secret because it was with God? Hmmm

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14 cb 03.31.10 at 8:32 pm

Yeah, I guess. Since they are all doing God’s work, we should assume that God must talk to them sometimes. So, GB, after the setup you describe, you gotta wonder what is left for the common man. The devil and the deep blue sea, perhaps?

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15 Fitch 03.31.10 at 8:37 pm

His holiness wrote –

“What we’ve learned is something that we know or should have known all along, which is that market economies are characterised by cycles, that human behaviour is characterised by alternately greed and fear,” he said.

“Therefore, economic systems are occasionally prone to this kind of instability.

“It’s always been that way and it always will be.”

Thanks for the heads-up Kenny.

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16 cb 03.31.10 at 8:41 pm

So, Nick, I guess we have an answer of sorts to our earlier question of where Glenn Stevens’s allegiences lie? My fear was that Stevens and Blankfein were co-workers. Now we know for sure, with both of them having admitted to it.

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17 Fitch 03.31.10 at 8:50 pm

Kenny? Who the hell’s he? I mean’t Glenny!

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18 Nick 03.31.10 at 8:56 pm

cb…#15…I had said once before, that we are both on the same frequency. I salute you sir!!

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19 cb 03.31.10 at 9:24 pm

Right on, Nick. And thank you, with compliments reciprocated.
Incidentally, give us an update about that loud mouth supplier of yours. Having put his foot into it, has he woken up to himself, I wonder?

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20 Nick 03.31.10 at 9:40 pm

Are you kidding, arrogance is in the DNA. I’ve placed the order I needed and it wasn’t with his company, which has left a deep crater in his sales budget.
My ancestors have taught me well. Never get mad, I just get even!!

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21 cb 03.31.10 at 9:48 pm

Lol, Fitch. I thought it was a typo, else an allusion to ex-Enron’s Kenny boy, which would not have been all that much out of place.

I am still trying to make sense of his warnings to home buyers. There are two main possibilities that come to mind:
1. He merely sees a trend and feels obliged to warn people about a danger that he feels the politicians and MSM are not warning them about.
2. He knows what he is going to do and the consequences of it for the property market, so he feels obliged to give fair warning about it, plus this will also go some way of protecting his own backside when the bottom falls out.

He will be widely interpreted by MSM in terms of the former possibility. My own inclination is to see his warnings in terms of the latter. This interpretation also fits in with his interpretation of what he is doing: like Lloyd Blankfein, CEO of Goldman Sachs, Stevens believes that he is also doing God’s work.

And one of the moral codes that powerful members of the club must adhere to is that they must tell/warn people in advance about what they are going to do. This, I believe, is what Stevens is doing. He is giving fair warning, so that those who would listen can take steps to protect themselves. Usually, members of this club speak and warn about their intentions in code, which few understand. Stevens has taken the unusual step of being pretty damn clear. Time will tell.

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22 cb 03.31.10 at 9:51 pm

Bang on, Nick. Life is short . Let him learn.

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23 Nick 03.31.10 at 9:58 pm

Aha.. but cb are they referring to the same God as us mere mortals believe in or is it the God that they believe in? Whom might that enlightened one be? The Antichrist perhaps? The head of the new world bank? Come to think of it, what is the difference between these two?

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24 Nick 03.31.10 at 10:00 pm

cb..”Let him learn.”…is that a typo? Did you mean to say let him BURN!!! lol.

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25 cb 03.31.10 at 11:03 pm

lol, Nick. At your pleasure, I say.

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26 cb 03.31.10 at 11:10 pm

Poor guy. He is probably too clueless to comprehend half of it. What was he thinking spitting on the cradle of Western philosophy, learning and civilisation?!

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27 cb 03.31.10 at 11:21 pm

Nick – Theirs, of course, according to their own understanding and conception. But, of course, when they tell us that they are doing God’s work, they count on most people being ignorant of what they really mean. They speak in code, so what they say means one thing for the masses, and something different for them, given their conception of God, the Good, and their purpose in life to further that Good according to their own understanding and assumed mission. It must feel good and very special to be in the service of a higher purpose. Nothing wrong with that, mind you, except that they consider it right and good that you and I should pay the price. Funny that.

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28 cb 04.01.10 at 12:58 am

For the latest developments on what is being perpetrated on Greece, there is a short, 5 minute radio interview of Max Keiser on Greek Radio. The situation is truly alarming, and if anyone cared to ask me, intolerable.
http://maxkeiser.com/

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29 cb 04.01.10 at 1:33 am

And, the shocking picture of what’s up with carbon trading, which Rudd and Wong want to shove down our throats on the latest Keiser report. We live in a truly shocking age of shameless criminality by those doing God’s work.

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30 Peter Fraser 04.01.10 at 2:18 am

Hi etch.

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31 wjc 04.01.10 at 7:30 am

I noticed that my water, power, food and insurance bills are also growing at exponential rates.

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32 Nick 04.01.10 at 8:55 am

Greece being the focal point is just an MSM distraction to take our attention off the greater dangers lurking in the shadows.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/7326772/California-is-a-greater-risk-than-Greece-warns-JP-Morgan-chief.html

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33 cb 04.01.10 at 9:12 am

lol, wjc – Yours, too? Then it’s worse than I suspected!!!

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34 Nick 04.01.10 at 9:30 am

Further evidence that if you don’t stop what is causing the pressure to build up in a boiler, then physics says that you can only hold the lid down for so long until she finally blows. Thos who see the leaking bursts of steam will have enough sense to run for cover. While those who think it is only a temporary glitch” will fry.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/30/business/economy/30states.html?src=me&ref=business

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35 Adrian 04.01.10 at 9:45 am

Personally I would like you to have extrapolated the graphs out showing wage growth and housing price growth. As housing is currently trading on say 7x household earnings, I’m sure by 2050 it would be somewhere closer to 100x (Note I cannot be bothered doing the maths today. I will leave that to someone with the time and energy).

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36 cb 04.01.10 at 9:52 am

This excerpt is from Eric Fry’s article a few days back in the DRA. You may and may not have seen it:

“I ran into a fascinating little tidbit from a book about French financial history entitled, “The Undying Debt,” by Francois Velde. This is a story from the past. But it may also be a story from the future:

“With the opening of hostilities [in WWI], the Bank of France suspended the link between francs and gold, and part of the war was financed with large issues of paper currency. When France’s prime minister re- established the link in 1928, he could only do so at 20% of its pre-war parity.”

So in other words, the French got into a fix. They got out by defaulting on 80% of their obligations. The history of French financial management is not so different from that of any other nation. Time after time, France found itself a little short. And time after time, it defaulted…devalued…and reneged on its promises. To the extent that, over a three-century period of time, French government debt equal to ten ounces of gold – with a present value of about €7,850 – was reduced, says Velde, to €1.20.

Oh mon Dieu! C’est pas vrai! Yes, it’s true. Governments default just as inevitably as Agave plants flower. But the timing is uncertain.”

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37 SV 04.01.10 at 10:04 am

Well guys, there is a surprising admission on Chris Joye’s blog in BusSpec about Sydney house prices: “The truth is this: Sydney house prices rose by just 0.7 per cent per annum between December 2003 and December 2009. In contrast, per capita household incomes across Australia grew by 5.7 per cent per annum”. So, by 2050 you will be able to buy that 1mln dollars home with 1 week’s wages.

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38 cb 04.01.10 at 10:16 am

That’s a good analogy, Nick. There are warning signs going off all over the place, and still the majority of people seem to be paying no attention. It is incredible. Just reading through the list of trouble being masked and hidden by the very people in charge is enough to make your hairs stand up on your back. After this show is over, there will be wholesale revulsion and a potentially catastrophic collapse in people’s trust in MSM and political authority.

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39 RB 04.01.10 at 10:28 am

Kris – If you are so sure that we are on the precipice of a bust in house prices would it not make sense for you and all your followers to SELL YOUR HOUSES now before the price drops then re-buy them later on at a much reduced figure? (I am of course presuming you currently own a house) Surely you would be hailed as a genius, one who is able to read the market with such accuracy that you literally BET YOUR HOUSE ON IT.

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40 cb 04.01.10 at 10:38 am

Hmmm… There appears to be no end to the ways in which Joye can surprise. But, to be fair, all manner of things are possible. Perhaps the single most powerful determinant of nominal asset price increases is inflation, defined the Austrian way, as the excess creation of money and credit relative to the goods and services being produced in a given economy.

Hence, if the world’s printing presses are kept well oiled, there is no definable upper limit beyond which asset prices cannot go. Even if a country exercises prudence and restraint, excessive flows of investment money will probably find their way into that country’s labour and asset markets through the carry trade. And when all that hot money is pulled out for whatever reason, it leaves behind massive unemployment and unsupportable prices. The resulting chaos and readjustment process will be extremely challenging, and fortunes will be made and lost depending on how one is positioned when the storm hits.

How best to prepare? From what I gather,
1. debt will be a major danger, if interest rates spike even for a limited time.
2. You gotta hold hard assets debt free, or with as little debt as possible.
3. Stay liquid, and cashed up, keeping some powder dry, but probably not in fiat currencies.
3. You gotta have silver and gold.

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41 Nick 04.01.10 at 11:07 am

RB….firstly my home goes for no price. It’s my home not a commodity.
As for my investment properties, I have sold a portion of that portfolio over the past 18 months. That same property cannot be sold today for the price I got for it. (but the gold I bought with the proceeds has). The same properties I sold, are valued at less today. So does that make me a genius or a betting man? Nope on both accounts. As for buying property again when it falls? Why? You are assuming that it will only go down temporarily! Is it a sin to be a free thinker? One who is not led by the crowd and propaganda?
If people can’t afford R/E today, what on earth makes you think they can afford the same houses 10 years from now when they are supposedly worth $1 million plus? Wages would have to increase proportionately just to break even. What industry can handle that kind of wage increase in 10 years?
In addition to that, the added expense of land rates, insurance etc will make that house unsustainable. This of course ignores and interest rate increase. Remember, in the 80’s when interest rates were 18% plus, housing was affordable. Today when interest rates are the lowest in 40 years it’s barely affordable. So double the price and increase the interest???
I know of many elderly citizens who bought their homes I their younger years, paid them off and though they would die there. Unfortunately, the “boom times” came, their land rates etc. quadrupled and they had to sell up and leave as they could not afford to live in their own homes. So in 10 years time, how many of the baby boomers will be moving to Alice Springs for their twilight years because they are retiring with no savings and their homes (and all the associated expenses) will cost a king’s ransom???

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42 RB 04.01.10 at 12:41 pm

Nick
Why did you only sell a potion of your portfolio “I have sold a portion of that portfolio over the past 18 months” if you are sure prices are going to continue to fall and not recover? “You are assuming that it will only go down temporarily!”

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43 Nick 04.01.10 at 1:34 pm

RB…I am in the process of selling the remainder. Some are currently on the market and some will be come June 30. I hope the spin on MSM continues until that time as most will loyally believe all the hype come hell or high water. For me, that’s a good thing.

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44 Sandra 04.01.10 at 11:48 pm

yep – there are still many fools around – only too happy to buy your overpriced property…

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45 GB 04.02.10 at 10:45 am

cb – i watched the Keiser article

I believe the future of banking will go back to being conservative and the banks power will fade. When I was younger it was hard to get a loan even for a few thousand dollars to buy a beaten up Torana but over the last decade or so getting a loan was as easy as buying milk.

I know banks create money but in the end someone’s money is lent and that money becomes someone’s through their asset sale. Enough people lose their savings then they may lose faith in the banks and therefore force the banks to be more conservative to attract funds.

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46 cb 04.02.10 at 1:16 pm

All very good points, GB. The only thing I can think of that could upset the apple cart would be if the powers that be continued to fiddle with the very nature of the fractional reserve system. They are already allowing banks to hide their losses by allowing them to mark their assets to model, rather than marking them to market, by allowing them to keep their losses and dodgy assets in off-balance sheet accounts, etc, which effectively allows many a broken bank to continue trading while insolvent. Having crossed the Rubikon, what is to stop the cartels from doing away with the remaining rules and abolish reserve requirements altogether? Or even permit the total disregard of bad debts, so that banks will only book profits, while bad debts are simply wiped off their balace sheets?

We always guage risk, form expectations and make financial decisions by reference to the prevailing rules and laws that have bearing on a given matter, and that is how it has to be. However, where the powers that be have an interest and at the same time have the power to change the rule book, then we must keep this in mind also, that even if you play the game right and make all the right calls, the goal posts can be shifted after the fact, and all your goals can be disallowed. Of course, that will risk public outrage, but that is nothing new to the gangsters and banksters who are more than willing to deal with it, just as long as they can live off your labour and take the better part of people’s money.

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47 GB 04.03.10 at 10:08 am

cb, it makes you wonder if they are still writing off bad loans. The new wave of resets coming up may never become public so it may seem that everything is ok

Banks are only the middleman in the equation. One of their main roles is to check the borrowers credit worthiness because its easier for them to do it as an entity than each individual person seeking the information. The borrower gains because he only has to visit one bank instead of searching for 20 different individuals to borrow from. So if you take the bank out of the equation, whats left is people lending to people. I think people need to re-learn that and demand better protection for their money.

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48 GB 04.03.10 at 10:14 am

Just to clarify, what I meant was if people bandied together and started to threaten to pull their savings out the banks unless they acted more conservatively then that would be 1000 times more effective than regulation.

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49 cb 04.04.10 at 1:21 pm

GB – True, and I am just imagining such a scenario. Savers are pulling out their money, but the banks still have all their loans/assets, that keep generating income for them from the loans they make. So, the question is whether they could still make more loans and even increase their profits? An affirmative answer, under current rules, would seem absurd, but not if you imagine one or two changes to the rules, such as:
- Banks sourcing their funds from the lender of last resort: the central banks, one of the foundational purposes for which they were created.
- The cental banks, in turn, will print the required funds up, as needed. And there is little new in that.

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50 ross violich 04.06.10 at 7:20 pm

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