Money Morning reader Wilson sent your editor a shocking video yesterday.
So shocking we could barely believe it was true. We even thought that maybe some nerdy tech wizard had dubbed the video.
But no, it appears to be the genuine article. Here’s what shocked your editor so much, and why it’s proof that you must never trust what you hear from the mainstream…
You see, there’s an online financial video channel called RainmakeriTV. As best as we can figure out, it compiles interviews of various people – CEOs, economists, brokers, etc. – and then posts those videos on its website for people to view.
As it happens, just yesterday RainmakeriTV interviewed a chap called David Wyss. Mr. Wyss is the chief economist for [cough] respected ratings agency Standard & Poor’s.
Now, you know we’re not fans of mainstream economic talk. By now we’re used to their babble. We’ve got used to the fact that they’ve either got no idea what they’re talking about, or they’re deliberately misleading everyone with their economic analysis.
But the comment that I’m about to show you from Mr. Wyss takes mainstream economic analysis to a whole new level. Either that or he’s just admitting what others are too scared to say.
So, what was it that was so bad and so shocking that it rendered your editor speechless?
It was this…
“The big problem’s the consumer. Consumer is just scared, he doesn’t wanna spend, he’s being more cautious. As individuals I applaud that because we should be saving more money, but from the economy standpoint we’d really like to get people out there living beyond their means like normal.”
A more economically retarded view of the economy we’re yet to hear.
Of course, the switched on interviewer immediately pounced on Mr. Wyss calling him to task for making such an outrageous comment… oh, no, that’s right, she didn’t. Sorry, we forgot for a moment that we’re talking about the mainstream.
Anyway, if you don’t believe that even a mainstream economist could say such a thing, just click here and view the video for yourself. You won’t have long to wait, it’s early on in the interview…
Look, maybe we’re over-reacting here. And maybe we’re just trawling over old ground.
But you know what, someone’s got to over-react. And someone’s got to keep making the argument that mainstream economists are guilty of misleading the general public.
I mean, seriously, who in their right mind could possibly argue that it’s good for the economy if people are “living beyond their means like normal”?
The answer is it isn’t. With one exception. It’s good for the finance industry. Especially the banks.
Living beyond your means generally means that you’re spending more money than you earn. Of course, spending more than you earn isn’t really possible unless you sell assets to cover the shortfall…
Or, you borrow the money from somewhere. Like, say, from a bank.
Now, we should point out that using debt to finance purchases isn’t always bad. We don’t see anything wrong with taking out a mortgage to buy a house – providing you’re not over-extending yourself.
And we don’t see a problem with taking out a short-term loan to buy whitegoods or furniture. Why not take up Harvey Norman on their interest free deals? Just make sure you pay the whole darn thing off so you don’t get stung with a 30% interest rate.
But for an economist to suggest consumers need to go back to living beyond their means in order to help the economy is rubbish. Especially from an economist who is employed by a company that claims to be “a leader of financial market intelligence”.
Financial market ignorance we’d say.
It’s all part of the muddle-headed notion that saving is bad, because saving prevents spending. And that it’s only spending that can save the economy.
As we’ve argued many times before that just isn’t true. Saving isn’t the dead money mainstream economists claim.
Savings serve two purposes. In a non-corrupt and insolvent banking system, savings provide the capital for others to spend. Savings allow individuals to borrow that money in order to spend on current consumer items, or businesses to spend it on capital goods for future production.
In both cases there’s the expectation the borrowers will repay and the saver will earn some interest as a reward for foregoing spending.
But savings serve another purpose too. Savings are the means by which savers postpone their spending until the future. They’d prefer to have their cash plus interest in one year – for example – rather than spending the money on goods or services today.
For the businesses that have invested in anticipation of future spending, that’s great news. It means there will be consumers available to buy their goods and help them earn more profits.
If there aren’t consumers in the future then it makes it harder for the business to repay their loan and harder for them to justify the increased capital expenditure.
It’s not difficult. But that’s not how the mainstream views it. They want all spending to happen now. The more the better. The trouble is, in their eyes it’s always now.
The more spending that happens today, the bigger the profits for companies will be today and the more money they’ll make.
Of course they forget about the impact on spending in the future. If everyone’s spent their money today then there’s nothing left to spend in the future. The consumer is too busy paying the bills for past spending and doesn’t have enough left over to keep spending at the previous rate.
And neither do they have enough money to save for future consumption or investment.
That’s the position many economies worldwide are in at the moment. They’ve lived beyond their means and now they are being urged to live even further beyond their means – “like normal.”
The breaking news for the likes of Mr. Wyss and other mainstream economists and commentators is that it can’t last and it won’t last.
Sadly, we think they know that, but it’s not in their interests to tell you.
Cheers.
Kris Sayce
For Money Morning Australia

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CB @ 98:
I could have told you from the get go that Wilkie would side with Labor and the Greens… I would have bet my life on it!
One a (slimy) ‘Green’ always a slimy green!
These lefties ALWAYS stick together…
I think it was lowdown of him to throw Abbott’s offer in his face and effectively stab him in the back when he (Wilkie) was the one who insisted that one billion dollars was what was required to maintain the status of the hospital as a training hospital. It is obvious he was never in it to negotiate in good faith.
CB @ 100:
Well said! The climate scammers are counting on there being enough stupid people around who actually believe their scam.
I’m afraid to admit, but i think there are!
Good points, again, Sandra. Wilkie is a dirty little rat who did not negotiate in good faith. He was looking for an opening, and when he got it, he put in the boot as nasty as he could. I admired him when he was a whistleblower, but now … well, let me just say, he left me speachless.
Nick – and how good is this?:
“It is a myth that inflation cannot exist in a capital sector that is experiencing deflation. Enormously distorted market prices and obscene market inefficiencies occur when Central Banks encourage malinvestment by enforcing abnormally long periods of artificially low interest rate periods. When these distorted market prices return to prices more indicative of a free market, economists state that deflation is occurring.
If the US housing market rose 60% above where a free market would have set prices due to Central Bank monetary policies and then plunges 30%, everyone assumes that there are zero inflationary forces at work within the housing markets. This is not necessarily true. Central Banks can still employ inflationary monetary forces and deflation can still come out on top. For example, if the US dollar is inflated by 10% in a year when housing prices plunge 30%, the 30% is the net effect of the 10% inflation in US dollars and the 40% deflation in housing prices. Central Banking monetary policies inflict simultaneous inflation and deflation at times in the economy that work hand in hand with one another to destroy as much wealth of a nation’s citizens as possible.
And this is what makes Dr. Mayland’s proposed “solution particularly malicious. The NET effect of inflationary/deflationary forces are inflationary in some sectors while deflationary in others, but wealth-destroying across ALL sectors.”
The Miseducation of Ben Shalom Bernanke
http://www.theundergroundinvestor.com/2010/08/the-miseducation-of-ben-shalom-bernanke/
Cb..@97…regarding his Oz/NZ low interest rates creating boom. I’m trying to understand what he is trying to say. My first purchase of RE at 18 was , from memory, around 6% (personal loan as investment loans were not given easily). Then I saw interest rates go as far as 20% in the decades that followed, so in respect of that, I honestly see the current interest rate as quite low. What is of course the killer is the size of the loans/mortgages, hence the interest “payment” are high and not necessarily the “rates”.
The new buyers who have never experienced the higher rates would view the current rates as “normal” but, as Stevens told us, they are not and are only “emergency rates”.
Your earlier comment regarding bb’s link about Gold coast is absolutely correct in that there is very little “stock” available for agents to sell. This is where things are getting tight. My feel is that investors are in “wait and see” mode. Perhaps this is due to the disbelief that things can/will get worse but instead believe the hype of things will get back to normal/growth. The masses still cannot see the grander scale.
Inflation/deflation is something that is smoke and mirrors. Simple eg. Woolies/Coles recently gloated that they have reduced prices. However, if you take into account such items as the biscuit I’m eating has been drastically reduced in size from what I remember them to be, in that same period the price went up. Now, they drop the price a fraction and technically you have a price drop. But if you matched ingredients weight to price ration, the price has gone up substantially. So you description in 104 makes very good sense.
“”"What is of course the killer is the size of the loans/mortgages, hence the interest “payment” are high and not necessarily the “rates”. “”"”"
thats the “ticking b()mb”……………………
“”"What is of course the killer is the size of the loans/mortgages, hence the interest “payment” are high and not necessarily the “rates”. “”"”"
thats the fast “ticking b()mb”……………………
An excellent interview on KWN:
The KWN Weekly Metals Wrap
http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2010/9/4_KWN_Weekly_Metals_Wrap.html
Dow 8000 – September 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqX4A0CTmck&feature=player_embedded
Hold onto your hats folks, worldwide economic collapse is coming soon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We9PDrBIAEs&NR=1&feature=fvwp
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